“Never Work Again” Seminar – Days 3 & 4 Review and Conclusion

This is the final part of my review for T. Harv Eker’s “Never Work Again” 4-Day Seminar. Be sure to read parts 1-3 before reading this final review.

  1. Never Work Again Seminar: Introduction
  2. Day 1 Review
  3. Day 2 Review
  4. Days 3 & 4 Review and Conclusion

Never Work Again, Day 4

Marcus, one of  the 2 hosts and one of my favorite speakers. Sorry for the low res pic as it’s taken with my phone.

As I mentioned in Day 2 update, I was running my own workshop on 7 Habits of Straight A Students on NWA Day 3, so I didn’t attend NWA morning and afternoon sessions. After my workshop, I planned to attend the remainder of NWA for Day 3, only to see Tatt’s sms that O and him have left the seminar as it was the same formula used in Day 1 / Day 2. Every new speaker was there to talk about his method of earning passive income, followed by sales pitch for his program/course to learn the skill. The topics were also not relevant. Hence, I went back home as well to take a rest.

Separately, my workshop went well – I was training school students on the habits to get top results, and some parents even came to accompany their kids!! Talk about real dedication! Check out the pictures: 7 Habits of Straight A Students Workshop Pictures. I’ll be continuing part-2 next Sat on Plan Your Way To A-Stars. Most of the same participants will be back and with new attendees too, so I’m looking forward :D

Here’s a run-down of Day 3 & 4 agenda. Due to IP reasons, I’ve listed down the subject of the segments but not the actual topic titles.

Day 3 Agenda

  • Successful Investing*
  • iPhone/iPad Mobile Applications*
  • Payday lending*
  • Better Trades System*
  • Speaker Panels Discussion - Q&A session between all the speakers and the audience members.

Day 4 Agenda

  • Lifestyle Trading*
  • Membership Sites
  • Pre-Development Land Investing. Tatt, O and me left NWA mid-way through this segment.
  • T. Harv Eker NWA Concluding Video

* These are the sales pitch sessions. They follow this general formula: (1) A 10 minute introduction on why this particular method creates passive income (2) 15 minute brief sharing on how they do it, followed by (3) 15 minute sales pitch for their course/program to learn this skill so you can create passive income for yourself.

Overall Conclusion

After 4 days, I give NWA an overall rating of 1/10. And here’s why:

1) Did not meet the workshop objectives

If we look back to the list of deliverables promised in the workshop description, pretty much none of them are met. Let’s review the description in its Promotional Brochure (text in blue are my comments):

  • A) Proven strategies and investment techniques to develop and increase passive income. Not really. We are made aware of the methods people use to earn passive income and the basic steps they do so, but we do not learn the actual full set of strategies or techniques on how we can achieve the same outcome for ourselves within NWA. We have to sign up for additional courses/programs in order to learn that (cost between SGD $1 grand to $5 grand, usually on the higher side).
  • B) Practical earning strategies that guarantee you more time and money. No. See A).
  • C) How to create businesses that work for you, rather than control you. Absolutely not. See A).
  • D) Which businesses are the real cash cows. Not that I know of.
  • E) How to earn $20,000 to $100,000 in passive income each and every month for the rest of your life. Definitely not. The segment which had this topic was about Membership Sites (refer to Day 4 agenda) and as I mentioned under Day 4′s agenda, it was just an introductory 101 module on what membership sites are.
  • F) A wide variety of high return, low-risk investments normally available only for sophisticated investors. Not that I’m aware of.
  • G) How to gather investment contacts and find rare opportunities. No!
  • H) And much more!
  • I) Plus you’ll leave with your own personal plan. Absolutely not. I did not leave with any personal plan whatsoever. Maybe it was covered as the last segment of Day 4 (which I skipped), but I highly doubt so seeing how Days 1-3 panned out.

#2) Misrepresentation of what was offered

There were 2 levels of misrepresentation in NWA.

a) At the fundamental level, NWA gave the impression that it was going to teach actual passive income strategies we could immediately apply in our lives/work/businesses. According to Tatt, that was how they pitched the NWA during MMI, and that was why he signed up. Based on reading the workshop brochure myself, I got the same impression as well, especially from points #A-#C. However, it turned out to be a pitch fest with barely any real content.

As I mentioned in Day 2 Review, NWA can be useful to people who (A) are open to different methods and tactics to achieve financial freedom (B) are willing to put in real hard work and effort to create their passive income streams via the specific methods/tactics introduced speaker (C) are willing to spend more money to sign up for the respective programs/workshops.

However if you already know what you want to do and you want to learn how to create passive income streams around what you are doing, you will get pretty much nothing from NWA.

b) Overhype on the results one can achieve. I have no doubt the speakers are credible, legit and have achieved the successes for themselves. However, the general impression driven throughout NWA was you could just sign up for the course (Google Adsense, Forex, Trading, Tax Liens, Mobile Apps, etc), spend a few weeks learning the skill, and in no time you would be earning large amounts of passive income. In my Day 2 Review, I wrote in detail on how passive income does not come overnight. I saw some middle-aged aunties who signed up for the Google Adsense course, and they didn’t seem very literate, much less tech savvy. To be honest I felt a little worried as I’m not sure if they knew what they signed up for.

#3) Barely any content

Out of the entire 4 days, the only real content segments were:

  • A) How To Write A Best Seller’s Book by Eker (Day 1)
  • B) Literary Agent and Book Publishing (Day 1)
  • C) Licensing (Day 1)
  • D) Successful Investing (end of Day 2, start of Day 3)
  • E) Membership Sites (Day 4)

By content, I’m referring to the segments with real value, sharing actionable insights/lessons and not masqueraded as sales pitches. Out of the 5 segments above, only (A) and (D) had concrete value. Eker’s segment on how to write the best seller’s book is the reason why I gave NWA a redeeming score of 1 over 10, else it would have been 0/10. Information covered in (B) and (E) can be easily found by doing a little self-research and reading 1-2 books on the subject. I can’t comment for (C) as I skipped the session.

With a seminar outline as detailed in #1, I would think they should share passive income principles for us to apply right away to our lives. But it was really just specific tactics covered and even then we didn’t get to learn anything about them that we could action upon (without signing up for more programs).

#4) Poor planning

As I mentioned in Day 1 Review, there could be an overall framework that maps out the entire 4-day seminar. But there was none of this. It came across as a random mish-mesh of different people/companies with passive income tactics to share with us.

There was also no agenda at all. None of us knew who the speaker was until he came on. Even when we asked the crew, they had to check, and at times gave the wrong information. Being a multi-speaker seminar hardly serves as a reason for no agenda. Hay House’s I Can Do It! Conference is a multi-speaker event and has its speakers and agenda planned out all till its 2011 events, and it costs nowhere as much as NWA.

#5) Dragged out agenda

There was a lot of energizer sessions (i.e. sessions where we are asked to get excited, dance around, shout, meditate, read declarations, and so on and so forth). There was one every morning (1 hour) and then after every break (about 6 breaks in total each day) for about 15 minutes. These are fine for the belief breaking seminars where the audience need to be in the right state to make the maximum change, but since this was more like a pitch fest, it was quite a waste of time. Removing all these fluff, we could easily have had a 3-day or 2-day seminar.

Final Words

It was a disappointing seminar. I had quite a number of takeaways, but not on passive income generation – they were mainly on training, about what I should  / should not do for my future workshops and seminars to ensure my participants get the most out of them. I also learned about how to write a best selling book from Eker’s Day 1 session. I had a series of reflections, which came more from being in mass seminar than specific to NWA.

Passive income IS possible – just that if you want to learn real, actionable strategies on how to create passive income in your life/work/business, you are not going to get that in NWA.

As reader Francis commented, “I find that mostly they (seminars) are either fluff or are just chock full of a marketing materials with the aim to upsell you to the next more expensive tier of courses/product.” A seminar like NWA is precisely the reason why many have such impression of self-help seminars. Certainly, not all seminars are like this. I’ve heard excellent things about Tony Robbin’s Unleash the Power Within, Date With Destiny and Eker’s Millionaire Mindset Intensive (MMI). For the record, NWA has left me with a bad taste, but Eker comes across as a genuine person and I believe his other courses (MMI in particular) aren’t like that.

Would You Like Me To Continue With Such Reviews?

The point of this review isn’t for you to conclude that all such seminars are useless/scams, but to inform you about how it like and what to expect. (For what it is worth, I’m in the self-help industry too and I design/conduct personal development workshops as well). This is the first time I’m doing a review on PE. If you find this review helpful and you would like me to continue reviewing other similar seminars I attend, please let me know in the comments area.

Next up might be Eker’s MMI in Singapore, which will be held in Nov this year. I’m sure that’s going to be different from NWA and I look forward to it. :D

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  • WR

    Thank you for the review, Celestine! For me reviews like that are really useful so please keep on keeping on.. :wink:

    All in all your site is really great! I like everything on it, especially the eBooks.. I can’t wait for new articles.. Greetings from Germany..

  • B.A.

    Please do continue to review these seminars. You strike me as attempting to give a fair and unbiased review, that is rare and valuable. :wink:

  • CHB

    Yes, fully agree that your review is very informative. Keep it up!

  • http://hunboon.wordpress.com Hun Boon

    “I’ve heard excellent things about Tony Robbin’s Unleash the Power Within, Date With Destiny and Eker’s Millionaire Mindset Intensive (MMI).”

    Hi Celes, do you mean that you’ve not attended those seminars yet? If you ever have a chance to, I would like to hear your reviews on them too.


    • http://personalexcellence.co/blog/ Celes

      I’ll love to do a review for the seminars too when I get the chance to attend them. Possibly MMI later this year. Thanks Hun Boon :D

  • Chris

    YES. The way you put your analysis and compared objectives and results is so clear and “beautiful”.

    I have always been sceptic to seminars that promise too much but lack true tools to really help you out of present situation and move forward.

    It is a danger to the whole industry of excellence courses if there is no objective and constructive “voice” of evaluation, often that is more important that the course itself. By doing this kind of objective assessment you higher the standard of future opportunity for people to believe in excellence.

    Very important as many give the most valuable thing they have, their trust to other they believe can help them by guidance and insight.

    From Chris

  • http://d-pal.blogspot.com/ Dipal

    Hi Celes,

    Although I know I won’t be attending any seminars in Singapore, I do know a lot about forums and seminars. I totally agree with your review and the activities that back up your point of view. What I can straight away see (and realize) is that you have a fantastic way of putting things across. I have been credited often for this quality as well at different stages by different people. I truly feel connected and would love to know more about all your experiences and the way you go about them.

    I have also been credited often as being a very good speaker. Thanks to The Landmark Forum, I have been able to speak and connect to my audiences well. One very important reason for getting good reviews is because I believe in every word and deed of what I am presenting. Hence, it comes across to the audience very well. I’m quite passionate about speaking and see my self doing that soon. I may need all kinds of learning, especially from a seasoned pro like you and hope to get them as much as possible. I’ll try and get more specific later. Right now, I must say a great review and keep it up. All the best!

  • Kaizer

    Please continue the reviews. They are well written, to the point and in a pleasant style.

  • Joshua

    Definitely continue reviews. They are honest, complete reviews which really help as seminars are by no means cheap and there is a big risk in terms of investment. I would certainly be very angry forking out money and attending a seminar like NWA. Not only would I have wasted time and money, but there is no possibility of a refund unlike purchasing online information products.

    Thanks for the review!

    • http://personalexcellence.co/blog/ Celes

      Thanks a lot Joshua :D . It’s good that I entered NWA free as a guest, but if I paid for the seminar I’ll really feel ripped off. For my friend, there’s no refund policy as you said but he’s still trying to get his money back. Hopefully his request gets addressed.

  • http://bluelambda.com.sg Francis Teo

    Yes, do please continue to review such seminars. Definitely insightful, and I’m sure there will be other quality seminars which will be worthy of a review.

  • http://www.blog.iqmatrix.com Adam Sicinski

    This was very informative Celes. I’ve also attended numerous seminars — especially finance related ones — that simply did not meet my expectations at all. I’m wary these days, and rather go out and purchase a handful of books about the topic, conduct a Google search and listen to a few podcasts.

    I really hope that the organizers of NWA are tuning into your Blog. Because the information you have shared is absolutely invaluable for the future of this event. How many other people walked out of there feeling as you did? And how many of these people will tell their friends about their experience?

    I agree that some people who might not have much direction in life, might actually have gained something from the event. Although, if I was them, I would still be disappointed because it seems as though the objectives of the event weren’t met.

    • http://personalexcellence.co/blog/ Celes

      Thanks Adam :D . For what it’s worth, it’s possible the other attendees felt NWA was useful, but it didn’t deliver for me. My friends, Tatt and O also felt the same way. Tatt has given feedback to the organizers and asked for a refund.

      Sadly, I’m not sure if the feedback will affect how they run the event in the future, as NWA has been around for a while and this seems like the core design of the program all along. Singapore is but one of the countries they conduct it in. Short of a big protest, they will probably continue conducting it the same way.

  • Ellen

    Yes, Celes, please continue with your reviews. In contrast to the seminar you attended, your evaluation was full of content – really very helpful. Thanks so much.

  • Mark

    Thanks for the review). I think to review seminars is a great idea because it’s a fact that some of them don’t quite deliver on the content they promise. And thanks to you it’s possible to say if a seminar is a real thing or not.
    Great job again :) !

  • Jörgen

    Thanks for a great review. Keep up the great work!

  • Topi

    This review has been extremely valuable, probably one of the best I have ever read. I think your comments have been candid and objective, backed up by the rationale for your views. I would love to read more reviews from you like this one.

  • http://personalexcellence.co/blog/ Celes

    Thanks a lot everyone, your feedback is very valuable and means a lot to me :) Let me know as well if there is anything you like about the reviews that you want to see in future reviews. I avoid talking directly about the content due to IP protection.

  • Alex

    Thanks, helpful! I’ve been thinking about blogging my workshop experience in the past, maybe I should do it.

  • http://www.personal-success-factors.com Stephen Borgman

    Celes, thank you for your full and fair review of the seminar. What is disappointing is that T. Harv Ecker endorsed this seminar, given the 1/10. I can only too fully agree with you that misrepresentation is a shame. Perhaps the greatest takeaway for those of us who aspire to reach thousands is to turn the mirror toward ourselves: are we making any of the same mistakes, and what do we want to offer our readers to make their experience a 10/10. I think you are doing that now, Celes, with all your products and services….just remember to keep it real when you get really mega-famous :) :lol:

  • Cyril

    This was a very valuable process and one that I do hope you continue. These courses can be quite expensive and it is nice to have a value assessment like yours. I was amazed at the content and the detail of your reports – thank you.

  • DigitalAngel

    Definitely keep up with the reviews! It’s really helpful to hear which sessions might be worth attending and what you should expect to get from them before paying a lot of money to attend. Thanks :-D

  • Cocoa

    Thank you C for this review. I found it to be very informative and educational. Please continue this process. It is most enlightning to see how a professional views other presentations. I too was taking notes as to what to do and not to do when it is my turn to present. Keep up the good work and I wish you continued success in your journey for personal excellence.