“Never Work Again” Seminar – Day 1 Review

This is the part-2 of my review for T. Harv Eker’s “Never Work Again” 4-Day Seminar. Be sure to read part 1 before reading this review.

  1. Never Work Again Seminar: Introduction
  2. Day 1 Review
  3. Day 2 Review
  4. Days 3 & 4 Review and Conclusion

As promised in my previous post, I’ll be reviewing T. Harv Eker’s Never Work Again 4-day seminar for the benefit of all readers. I just finished Day 1 yesterday and decided to make it a daily review so I capture the thoughts while they are fresh.

Overall Day 1 was disappointing. In all honesty, I entered the seminar all eager and excited to learn and absorb new knowledge. But it fell short. I learned several important concepts and strategies, but these didn’t measure up for an entire 1 day seminar (9am – 11pm; I left at 9pm) and certainly not one with a cost price of $1~3k SGD. It felt like content was overstretched to fit the entire day and came across as really thin and sparse.

I was expecting more as Eker has built such a strong rep for his seminars. I’ve heard about how his MMI (Millionaire Mindset Intensive) is a transformational course, and from what I’ve seen/heard, MMI does look like a solid course. NWA is supposed to be a level-up course compared to MMI (which is a foundational module) but it certainly didn’t come across that way.

Tatt and O (Personal Excellence Thai readers whom I attended NWA with) both felt Day 1 of NWA didn’t compare to MMI (which is a much cheaper course at $100 SGD). O said he felt this was only 1/4 the value of MMI. He gave day 1 a score of 5/10, while Tatt gave it a 6/10. I personally rate it a 4/10, based on (1) value of content and (2) speakers’ power/presentation.

Granted, I’m probably more critical since I’m a trainer and have a different set of benchmark on what makes good training vs. a standard audience. It’s easy for me to spot opportunity gaps in training since training, coaching others and personal excellence is essentially my life’s work. The important thing is giving Day 1 a score of 4/10 doesn’t mean I feel I can do better or I know better; it just means I’m measuring them against the highest standard which we do for ourselves too.

For what it’s worth, this Never Work Again seminar run isn’t conducted by Eker himself – it’s hosted by his trainers, Marjean and Marcus de Maria and an ensemble of speakers. I’ve a feeling it’d be better if he hosted it. Eker appeared by way of a recorded video clip from his past workshop which I actually found to be one of the more valuable and engaging segments in Day 1.

Here’s my overall observations and rudimentary points on how I arrived at 4/10:

  1. More talk than content = Hollow. There was way too much talking, big promises and hyping up which just kept circling around and around. I found myself constantly wondering when the host would just get straight to the meat/action and get the next speaker out so we could start learning something. It’s like I am promised a huge 8 course meal again and again but throughout the day I barely got to taste the appetizer. Whatever value shared felt sparse. See #5.
  2. Participants: I estimate about 400~500. Participants came from all over the world, with majority from South East Asia region (SG, MY, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc). There were a few from HK / TW / CN, and a small handful from Europe and US. Most participants attended MMI before – not surprising as MMI is the foundational course for Eker’s seminar series. A small handful are actually attending NWA for the 2nd time.
  3. Speakers: There were a total of 8 speakers in Day 1, including Marjean and Marcus. All the speakers are successful individuals (millionaires in one way or another) who have generated massive wealth for themselves through passive income. The 8 speakers also includes Eker, who, in the true spirit of passive income generation and “never working again”, “trained” us via a recorded clip from his past NWA training in Singapore. I found it disappointing as I was looking forward to see Eker train live.
  4. Lack of Structure: So far, the seminar feels somewhat disorganized, like it’s nothing more than different speakers and topics strung together in no particular order or significance. It can be more valuable to audiences by having an overarching framework that connects the 4 days (more than just the topic of “massive passive income”). Each day can have a specific theme that connect to the main theme  (e.g., Day 1: Investment, Day 2: Business Structure Creation, and so on). But there’s none of this. I still don’t know what I’m suppose to expect for Day 2, Day 3 or Day 4 except that I’m supposed to be learning more about making passive income.
  5. Actionability of Strategies: If I am to sum it up, there are overall 2 groups of people who are attending the workshop: (1) People who have a huge pile of money reserves and want to know how to use/invest that money to generate passive income (2) People who have limited savings and want to know how to create passive income. So far, it seemed Day 1 seems targeted at (1) and since I’m not going in as group (1), it bears little relevance to me. I expect more coverage on (2) in the next couple of days. I also feel that many things the speakers shared have undoubtedly worked for them in their countries (US/UK) – but not necessarily in a different environment/climate like SG. They were sharing more specific tactics than strategies/principles on passive income generation. These tactics come across as highly context-based – i.e. they will going to work in this period in a situation, but beyond that I don’t really know if they can hold. I personally find it much more valuable if I was learning universal principles and concepts that I can integrate and apply accordingly in different times/places. Tactics wear out but principles don’t.
  6. Other Issues:

    • Non-Endearing Host: Marjean kept complaining about how the audience’s energy was low (which it wasn’t – this is just how Singapore audience is like) and spent a fair bit of time preaching about how we need to give our 100% if we want to earn massive passive income. It was quite frankly, a dampener and wasted a fair bit of time. She’s probably a nice person in real life but as a host she came across as somewhat arrogant and authoritarian. Half the times she was on stage, I wished she could just hurry up and pass on to the next speaker.
    • No agenda / information. One thing I don’t like is how they don’t reveal who the speakers are nor share the agenda. I don’t know if it’s because speakers are only confirmed in the last minute or it’s to cut down logistical work from all the printing/reprinting of schedules. I suspect it’s a combination of both. Either way it doesn’t help us get an overview of what to expect – we only got to know the topic when the session starts.
    • Typos in handout. This is a nit-pick but I feel it’s important – There were a couple of glaring typo errors in the “declaration” sheet, which is an essential document in the whole seminar. For a professional event like this and one where it’s conducted so many times already (meaning the sheet would have been used many times), I’m not sure why or how that happened. It doesn’t add to the professional image.

Day 1 Content

Each segment ranged from 1.5 hr to 2hr. Due to IP reasons, I’ve listed down the subject of the segments but not the actual topic titles.

  • Introduction. This took about 2 hours when it could have been easily covered in 1 hour. There were several important ideas I picked up, but Tatt later told me that this was just a recap of MMI concepts.
  • Beliefs on Passive Income. We addressed negative beliefs surrounding passive income generation, examined the root of those beliefs, and built new, empowering beliefs. I felt this was the critical to the success of the workshop and should have been longer than it was. It was 1 hr long and can easily be extended to 1.5 hrs or even 2 hrs imo. Tony Robbins can go on for hours just addressing negative beliefs at his workshops.

[ Lunch break ]

  • How To Write A Best Seller’s Book – By Eker, by way of a prerecorded video clip. Eker’s portion was easily the most valuable segment in the entire day for me, especially since I’m planning a new book right now. I also love Eker’s energy and delivery style, which was quirky, funny and most importantly, true to himself. This helped to connect him with the crowd.
  • Literary Agent and Publishing. It felt like a fluff segment to me. The content was largely common-domain information – I had previously researched on getting an agent / being published and there wasn’t anything she shared that I didn’t already know from my research. Anyone could have easily googled and found the information, I feel. I didn’t feel this was valuable, and I don’t see how this directly relates to the theme of never working again or generating passive income.
  • Lease Options*. The speaker was very sincere and genuine; I really like him. However, this topic was not actionable for me – Refer to Observation #5 above.
  • Investment Pitch*. This was a sales pitch segment to invest the speaker’s company than actual strategies/content. If you’re not attending the seminar with ready money or intention to invest, it’ll be totally irrelevant to you.

[ Dinner ]

  • Generate Fast Profits in Hard Times*. It wasn’t actionable for the same reasons as listed in Observation #5.
  • Licensing. Last segment for the day, from 9-11pm. Tatt, O and I didn’t stay as the topic wasn’t relevant for us. Many people also left at this point.

* These are the sales pitch sessions. They follow this general formula: (1) A 10 minute introduction on why this particular method creates passive income (2) 15 minute brief sharing on how they do it, followed by (3) 15 minute sales pitch for their course/program to learn this skill so you can create passive income for yourself.

Note that this is my assessment based on my needs; for sure other participants will have a different experience. If you are attending this NWA or you have attended past NWAs, feel free to share your experience in the comments area.

I’m still optimistic about the seminar by the way – usually Day-1s start off slow, and higher value content are put in the later days so participants end off on high notes. In particular I want to learn more about passive income strategies for business which I believe they are covering for Day 2 or Day 3, so let’s see how today pans out. Look forward to get to the real stuff soon :D
Continue on to Part 3: Never Work Again Seminar – Day 2 Review.


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  1. 1
    Hun Boon says:

    That was a super long review!

    You kept referring to point #5. Basically if the person has limited money, then there is no chance to generate passive income. Most of these talks are over-promising and under-delivering.

    • 1.1
      Celes says:

      There’s 2 ways to generate passive income – the more popular and faster way is through using money to buy/invest existing systems/structures that already generate passive income. The other method which I’m more interested in is using our own time/effort to create those systems/structures (e.g., how to set up such streams in our businesses). Day 1 covered only tactics under the 1st approach, while Day 2 started introducing a little bit of the 2nd approach. I’m looking towards Day 3 to share more of the 2nd approach. Will be wriitng the Day 2 review in a bit :)

  2. 2
    Hulbert Lee says:

    Hi Celes, I’m sorry you didn’t think the day 1 content of the seminar was that good. Maybe it’s just overhype. I mean look at the name… “Never Work Again”. Plus 14 hours seems to be a lot of time to cover. It could also be maybe because you’re such a good coach that you have higher standards. Nevertheless, I’m sure it will get better as the days go by. :)

  3. 3
    Baker says:

    Hi Celes,
    I attended T Harv Ekers live event way back in 2004. What I got from it was that we create our own reality with not so much our thoughts but our vibrational energy. It really does go back to quantam physics more than anything else. I am glad you are taking the time out to blog about this experience and share with us all your likes and dislikes, excellent and informative post!

  4. 4
    Hun Boon says:

    Hi Baker,

    I have to disagree here, quantum physics has nothing to do with self-improvement.

    I don’t know anything about Ekers, but vendors who use such intimidating and scientific-sounding terms are simply trying to impress people. What is “vibrational energy” anyway?

    • 4.1
      Celes says:

      Hey Hun Boon, I think what Baker is referring is our state at the molecular level. Loosely put, everything in the world is made up of particles and the level we “vibrate” or resonate at attracts the corresponding things/situations in our life. This is the basis of the Law of Attraction. More on LoA:
      1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_%282006_film%29 – The movie “The Secret” on LoA
      2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction

      • 4.1.1
        Hun Boon says:

        Hi Celes,

        So do you believe in the law of attraction, and that we attract things/situations into our lives because our particles are vibrating at the same frequency?

        cheers
        Hun Boon

        • 4.1.1.1
          Celes says:

          Hi Hun Boon, yes I believe in the LoA – but not in the manner that most people interpret LoA though. Most discredits on LoA actually stem from misinterpretation of what it stands for (i.e. just thinking about something without doing anything will attract something in our life). I might be writing a post about LoA sometime in the future.

  5. 5

    Hi Clestine, this is really a very detailed review on T.Harv Eker seminar. I have friends who attended this seminar before and felt that not all of the stuff shared is relevant to our country context but some of the tips that is shared is eye opener for him as he has never heard before.

    Cheers
    Javier

  6. 6

    Thank you for the thorough review. I had often wondered about Eker’s seminars. Have you attended others? And if so, how did those go? I noticed that many of my mentors have attended his seminars at one time or another, but I have yet to ask about their experiences.

    • 6.1
      Celes says:

      Hey Lis, I’ve never attended other Eker seminars before, so I can’t comment. But my friends Tatt and O attended MMI before (as I mentioned in the post) and have learned a lot from it, so I believe it’s a very good course. One of my ex-clients has also attended MMI and rated it very highly. Feel free to share with us too on what you’ve heard. :)

  7. 7
    Kaizer says:

    Going by your description, it appears the speaker(s) need to really work again!!

  8. 8
    Dipal says:

    Hi Celes,

    That must have been a tough review for you. To give it a 4/10 means you have to be brave as you yourself are in a similar profession. I haven’t heard much of Eker but going by your review (and the little bit that I can guage of what you are) this does seem like a drag. Well keep reviewing as your review is much more insightful than the seminar itself.

    Thanks
    Dipal

  9. 9
    Francis Teo says:

    Personally I think that most of these seminars held in Singapore aren’t worth it. I’m sure there are a couple that are great, but I find that mostly they are either fluff or are just chock full of a marketing materials with the aim to upsell you to the next more expensive tier of courses/product.

    Passive income is possible, but I dislike how many of these seminars and courses present passive income as being something easy to achieve.

    How To Buy A House in 30 Days Without a Deposit or Mortgage – I’m not sure this is even possible now in the US given what has happened to the housing market in the last couple of years. In fact, I would hazard a guess that such methods (easy credit, “no money down”), are what caused the problems in the first place.

  10. 10
    Smiles says:

    I too found this seminar to be disappointing when I attended it a couple of years ago. I received this one for “free” when I had signed up for a different one that was scheduled later in the year. Instead of being “free” I was charged 1/2 the price of the other seminar I had scheduled and I presume the other 1/2 was to be charged when I attended it.

    Overall I felt as though the Never Work Again seminar was nothing but a Pitchfest and lacked enough real content to justify the high costs of the event. It left a bad taste in my mouth and I decided not to attend the other one I had originally signed up for.

    I do agree that I found the MMI to contain great information at a much more reasonable price.

  11. 11

    Hey there Celes! Thanks so much for the review. It was good and informative. Don’t think I’ll be signing up for a course by Ecker any time soon. Was there a refund policy? Are you going to blog about how to write a bestselling book and what that segment was about?

    • 11.1
      Celes says:

      Hey Ian, thanks for your comment! There’s a no refund policy but my friend is asking the refund all the same. I won’t be blogging about the segment as it’s not relevant to most readers of Personal Excellence and more importantly the content is copyright of Eker and NWA.

  12. 12

    Good for your friend and the refund. What’s your book about?

    • 12.1
      Celes says:

      For what it’s worth, I doubt he’ll be getting the refund. He sent an email but has not gotten a response in the past 5 days.

      The book will be about the essence of excellence and how to achieve excellence in life. :) I’ll be sharing more in the blog in due time, so readers please stay tuned. :)

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